There is an ever increasing traffic pattern storming the web about the intent of our founding fathers when they included in the Constitution the words ‘natural born citizen’. This traffic is kept alive by those who also believe the Constitution is a living breathing document, would like you to believe that Blackstone’s definition of ‘natural born subject’ is where the founding fathers drew their definition from. However, this is far from the truth, and now we definitively know for fact that is was not Blackstone that is quoted in the Constitution, it is Vattel and his ‘Law of Nations’.
Article I, Section 8:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States; To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures; To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States; To establish Post Offices and post Roads; To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries; To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; To provide and maintain a Navy; To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces; To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; — And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Therefore, we can indisputably say for certain that the ‘Law of Nations’ were the guiding document for our founding fathers and we can say for certain that under Article II, Section I, Clause V,
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
that the founding fathers were quoting from Chapter XIX, Section 212 of Vattel’s ‘Law of Nations’
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
To further confirm this, we have this quote from Alexander Hamilton in the Philidelphia Gazette, June 29, 1793:
“The second article of the Constitution of the United States, section first, establishes this general proposition, that “the EXECUTIVE POWER shall be vested in a President of the United States of America…The executive is charged with the execution of all laws, the Law of Nations, as well as the Municipal Law, by which the former are recognized and adopted.”
Obama, by his own admission was at birth a British subject. He then later became a Kenyan citizen and an Indonesian citizen and thus far has never shown verification that he formally has renounced any any of those citizenships when he became of age.
“We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
We know for a fact from Obama’sown admission that at the coming of age he sought out those who did not like this country and he also traveled with those who were not of this country. He was able to enter Pakistan during their time of civil war. He resided and traveled in Pakistan with one of the most prominent opposition leaders there per these reports by Intl News/Pakistan, ABC News & former assit. US Attorney, Andrew McCarthy.
McCarthy writes: “By contrast, the question whether Obama ever was an Indonesian citizen is still unresolved, as are such related matters as whether the foreign citizenship (if he had it) ever lapsed, and whether he ever held or used an Indonesian passport — for example, during a mysterious trip to Pakistanhe took in 1981, after Zia’s coup, when advisories warned Americans against traveling there. By the way, many details about that journey, too, remain unknown. Obama strangely neglected to mention it in his 850 pages of autobiography, even though the 20-year-old’s adventure included a stay at the home of prominent Pakistani politicians.”
|Soomro was among Obama’s hosts in Pakistan|
|Thursday, April 24, 2008
NEW YORK: Chairman Senate Muhammadmian Soomro may be having a friend in White House if Barak Hussain Obamafinallysucceeds in his presidential bid.Hardly a few people know about Soomro’s link with Obama, which he never discussed it in public. But in private interactions with influential Pakistanis here in the US, Obama disclosed that Soomro’s father was his host when he went on a hunting expedition in Jacobabad during his visit to Pakistan in 1981.(snip)
Ahmadmian Soomro had also served in banking industry and was considered a pioneer in cooperative banking. By the time Soomro’s father had hosted Obama, he was only a college student who went to Pakistan on his way from Indonesia where his mother was working with the Ford Foundation’s micro credit finance project. Also Obama’s mother was a frequent traveller to Pakistan and according to Time Magazine, she had a little bit proficiency in speaking Urdu.
When Soomro was asked about the person who referred Obama to his father, he said he nowadays lived in some country in South America. He was, however, reluctant to disclose his identity, saying he will have to seek permission from that man before giving his profile.Although, Obamahas not disclosed his link with Soomro, he mentioned it during his canvassing campaign while talking to a Pakistani American, ShahidAhmadKhan, member of Board of Trustees Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.
So, not only was Barack H Obama unqualified to run for our highest office, let alone be sworn in as President because he was a British Subject at birth, Barack H Obama aka Barry Soetoro may not even be a proper citizen of this country. Could this be why for the 1st time in American history we have a president who failed to meet the minimum qualifications of all US males by simply trotting himself down to the local post office to sign up for the selective service. My guess is yes, because had he done that, he would have been documented as an alien resident NOT a US citizen.
Thus, we now have a Commander in Chief who to this day owes allegiances to Foreign Governmentsand Foreign Militaries.
So, Barry Prez, can we talk about all that debt you supposedly had when you finished college and law school. Just whom and what country was that debt owed to beacuseyour actions thus far during your world apology tours, do not leave us with the impression it was anyone from the USA.
After post Footnote: Leo says that the Law of Nations is meant to mean universal law of nations. One theory being that Vattel was not the original author of Laws of Nations. Correct, however Vattel was the one in the hands of the founding fathers and thus the one we must refer to when determing the founding fathers definition of ‘natural born citizen’. I am having a hard time accepting Leo’s theory in light of the Hamilton quote, therefore, my conclusion here shall stand until Leo disproves Hamilton.
It ‘irks’ me when lawyers make things more complicated than they really are. The founding fathers drafted a document that was worded in a way that ‘ALL’ citizens of the time as well as all future generations could understand without having to have a law degree. Well, that is, all future generations not being taught in a corrupt liberal public funded education system where teaching history has become passe’ & irrelevant. It was their vision that the central government would be made up of common men & business men and they did fear the thought of a congress full of lawyers that would twist and turn the words of the constitution to fit their personal political agenda.
Common law is only referenced in one place in the Constitution and that is in the 12th Amendment where it refers to trial by jury and it is ‘not’ capitalized. However, in the meat of the Constitution, right there smack in the 1st article, Law of Nation is capitalized. This can not be shoved aside as immaterial. Especially in the light of all the Congressional records where the founding fathers quote from Vattel, as well as the public quotes such as Hamilton’s quote above.
Did the founding fathers have both Vattel & Blackstone in their hands when drafting the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution? Of course. However, Blackstone relied on old English comon law of British subjects of a centrel controlling monarchy while Vattel’s laws were written for a country based on individual citizen rights of a government of the people.
So, while lawyers may be necessary for some purposes in life, they have a knack for making the lay person feel inferior when the fact of the matter is, it is the lawyers throughout this nation’s history who are the ones to blame for this mess we are in and why the general public is taught that the lay person has no intellect as to the framers intent. They control the courts, thus they believe that they are the holders of the definition of all rules of law. The fact of the matter is, not all the early Supreme Court Justices as well as Federal Judges held law degrees.
Justice Thomas recently said that understanding the Constitution is like understanding a cell phone bill. This could not be further from the truth, yet is just goes to show how a lawyer will twist things around. Now had he said, the current legal system is like understanding a cell phone bill, I would have had to concur with him, because it is because of their profession, some of our freedoms have vanished into thin air.
No wonder mainstreet America despises lawyers so much. They have taken our once wonderful Cosntitution and twisted it to suit their own personal political agendas.
In conclusion, I believe Leo’s heart is in the right place and we have to ‘Thank” him for helping us get to the root of understanding the intent of the framers, however his legal education has warped the most common of understandings of our founding fathers, the understanding that the Declaration & the Constitution would be able to be understood by ALL men of ALL education levels.